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Permalink Reply by JJW on June 12, 2011 at 8:02am

I hope the principal and the parents will not shy away from doing the right thing because of this incident. Sometimes parents forsook their responsibilities and started it too late, wrong time.

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Permalink Reply by Hamo Geek Girl on June 12, 2011 at 2:38pm

Sounds like this boy was already going through a really tough time ... the beating on top of all that would have just sent him over the edge.

I wouldn't blame his suicide on the beating he received.. but think about it... what would the outcome have been if the parents recognized that their son was having some trouble in his life with school, etc, understood that he was already suffering emotionally from that.. and decided that instead of punishing him further, they would express their love and concern for him...let him know that they had his back 100%, then put him on a strict plan to improve his school performance and fix his life?

I can't guarantee that the kid wouldn't still kill himself, but I don't know anybody (unless they're lying!) who could honestly say they felt super wonderful and confident and happy about themselves right after getting a beat down. The parents here had a choice.. and however noble their ultimate intentions were, they chose to make a hurting child hurt more.

It says a lot about the world this kid grew up in that he couldn't see a better option for himself than taking his own life ...just like it says an awful lot about our culture that the rate of teenage suicide amongst Samoans is so incredibly high.

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Permalink Reply by Tearsz on June 12, 2011 at 3:04pm

Well said!

@ HGG!!! There was a 12-year-old boy who committed suicide at his home after the head teacher of the school suspended him and told him that he could not sit the exam. ?"He begged for mercy, but no mercy was shown.

That alone was a call out for help in itself`....

Hopefully in future, teachers or people of authority within schools are trained to pick up this kind of behaviour... and help rectify it!

Just saying....

Hella sad story tho!

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Permalink Reply by JJW on July 8, 2011 at 2:33pm

The teacher definitely did the right thing, she cannot bend the rules and reward a disobedient and disrespectful child along with those students who faithfully observed rules and regulation and respected authority.. But depending on how he was raised whether the beating was right or wrong.. there was a reason for his bad behavior it usually means that the parents weren't doing their job at home in instructing and disciplining their son, only now that he needed to sit the exam where parents would be proud of their kids accomplishment, all of a sudden they beat the kid, probably because they miss out on being proud like other parents but perhaps it has nothing to do with the child's success and continue education.. then again it just might be an overview of my opinion..lol.

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Permalink Reply by METALMAN_DONT_PLAY on July 8, 2011 at 2:07pm

Really?@high? Not trynna dissent...but I thought we had the lowest...at what percentage are we at...per capita...and compared to what? the rest of polynesia? the world? Ok...the thing is...America had this "parent beating" changed right? lol and guess what happened to its youth? its society as a whole?--sh.itty! lol KIDS make the rules now...not the parents here in the US, even if you said something to your kid that broke his or her heart, or took away his games or whatever you gave them for xmas or birthdays...they could just call the cops, and you're in jail, not even laid a hand on them...get my meaning? I hope they won't change anything from this incident...both the parents AND the kid HAD a choice whether to take the beating, man up, and suck it up...and keep going...or just kill himself to get out of it. Now...depending on what he did that pissed off the dad...now THAT happened to me a lot in my life back home...I had sh.itty grades, acted like a fool at school, smoked n drank at that...got suspended twice in elementary, and 3 times in high school, resulting in being expelled from the entire western district...n got beaten the life outta me... lol but I KNEW WHY I GOT BEATEN (n if i were in my parent's shoes...i would've beaten the s*** out of myself for being a lil badass)...I just RESPECTED MY PARENTS and carried on...and found a way to get out of the house--US military...n here I am in America...doin whatever the hell I want with my life...as I've been on my own out here since 2001 lol anyway...my only concern would be..."Sasa a'oa'i...ae aua le sasa ia makua'i kigaiga"--that's how i had it...nearly EVERYDAY lol

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Permalink Reply by Sekia101 on July 12, 2011 at 5:20pm

last statement very well said Mr Metalman very well put... :) :) :)

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Permalink Reply by Synergy Norton Fa'atasi on June 14, 2011 at 11:24am

Maybe the father was STRESS with Lifestyle standards and felt the school was suppose to aid in some ways, but this SCHOOL was stupid and naieve to our people, so it brushed this kid aside, NOT understanding the depths of what they are about to DO!..

I don't get it,..

when you're a TEACHER you went in there passing all sorts of test in Socities level grade going. It's like a DOCTOR from another Country checking my private parts, I'll allow because Groverment has certifiy him to do so.

It's not to my understanding, "Why Govern Schools challenges Socities UP-RAISE!", When they should be just TEACHING the kids, influence, standards, bylaw, etc, etc, blah, blah, blahs, instead of the dominion, that there is no life outside of their jurisdictation, that's just discrimination, FULL STOP!

ia ga le ...

Sorry, to your family, if they are within domain, that this sort-off behaviour had to happen to em', I'm sorry to our COUNTRYMEN, that for em' to get International JOBS of qualification recognitions, we've gotta BY-PASS these type of people and their deploy, I'm sorry, because; - there's nothing, the power of one can do, about BLIND EYES OPEN! - they would be govern from their counterfited parts, for a FULL ON (itz) SHOW...

oh' well - LOVE U and hope you 'sue' their arse, with the help of our MP, who's doing rounds AM..

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Permalink Reply by Leki on June 14, 2011 at 12:28pm

:thumbdown: sad sad sad...

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Permalink Reply by Sekia101 on June 14, 2011 at 9:33pm

Yes it is a very sad things...but its strange that this child was not allowed to sit the exam, it must have been something really wrong for a teacher not to let him sit it...mea la lea e maua le tuli atu e alu le aoga ae alu ta'a i le maketi, ona expect laia le teacher to have mercy in case your dad beats you because your found out...But honestly people I have been through this myself, when I wagged school and my parents did not know, my mum caught me at the shopping centre and beat me at the shopping centre...and yet HELLLLOOO Im still around, this kid got a hiding at home and it gave him a reason to kill himself...we can not blame it on the beating or say that the parents were bad and not understanding...see kids these days are hard to read and no matter how good you are to them or bad you are they will commit suicide...This child must have know that what ever the reason was behind him not being able to sit the exam was going to get him trouble he or else he wouldn't have begged for mercy...so I think it must be something makua le lelei a...I know I know it does not give the parents the right to beat him but hello thier his parents, and maybe his dad gave him a beating because maybe what he did was makaga and his dad being Samoan thought that giving him a hiding will teach him a lesson...ae ole loto lava ole tamaititi na pule ai lona ola, like come on at 12 years old ae o'o iai ia tamaiti ia mafau**uga oka makua saosaoa tele le olaga ua o'o iai Samoa...Its a issues that should be bought out to the public...but why are we looking at the beating and about how to prevent the beatings but not look at the child and the life that is influencing these children to do such things...o le olaga fa'asamoa moi a (you can correct me on this one)...but e le teitei fasi e le matua le tamaititi, their is no parent that will just beat the kid without any good explaination...so I think that the issue is how can we prevent children at this young age from committing suicide...like kids committ suicide because being pregnant at a young age will bring you heaps of problems, some because of bullying, some because they done something really wrong...and then others because they mental (jokes)...but yeah alofaz peps

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Permalink Reply by Leki on June 15, 2011 at 8:35am

for lack of anything better to say other than 'SAD' on my last comment, i suppose i should really give this topic some of my undivided attention, seein` as how i have my own children and have to wonder how i would react/feel if this were my baby....

without meaning to pass any judgement on the parents or even the teacher`s of this kid, we seriously need to question the home life and enviornment of this 12 YEAR OLD, inorder to make some kind of sense as to WHY this has happened. there`s never any correct answer for suicide, never any justifiable cause or reason, its a tragic end to life and something that can never be taken back. to think that someone so young and filled with unknown potential and unfulfilled dreams, can reach a point in their life, where the only ANSWER is SUICIDE. IT`S CRAZY and a GRAVE INJUSTICE!

where is the hope!? where is the alternative!? how can his life be so depressing, sad and fearful, that death is preferable!? apparently something in our society is extremely wrong and needs to be fixed. or more to the point when will samoan parents ever learn the difference between discipline and abuse? this hasn't been the first and unfortunately may not be the last of these case`s, but I PRAY that we learn from each other, even on a global level.

i guess for me its out of sight, out of mind, its not that i don't empathize, but this topic just scared me and made me `sad, sad, sad` to think of this 12 year old boy, especially having a son that's only two years younger....(((kalofae sia kamaikiki))) was my initial reaction....my boy know`s the difference *i hope* he know's that he will be disciplined if he needs to be, but hes never afraid that he couldn't come and talk to me or his dad about anything. he might be scared to get into trouble but he know's the rules. i've told him even if its something he thinks is very, very bad, always know that he can come to me and his dad and never hide anything from us...its important for kids to have an open line of communication with us parents, we're suppose to be their refuge, their safe`keeper's, their shelter from the storm...and more importantly we have a responsiblity to teach our kids right from wrong. that yes people do make mistakes and yes there are consequences for those mistakes, but we learn from it and move on....the key element to all of this is LOVE, sounds corny, but i trully believe this...its super important to love your babies, with all that you have, showing them what their worth...enabling them to build self confidence and self worth, i could go on n on, but i better stop...i'm sure these are things that people already know!

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Permalink Reply by Sekia101 on June 15, 2011 at 10:07am

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: to you my friend...well put..I have a son who is 11yrs and just like your son will test my anger many a times, but he knows his limits...It is sad to see something like this happen mostly in our Samoan community...o le mea lea olae fasi atu e le matua ma lona loto fa'alematua Samoa o le alofa ma ona manatu e aoao ai le tamaititi ia ae paga lea e ese foi mafau**uga o tamaiti..."Communication" is a key factor that our Samoan children in Samoa should not be afraid to use with their parents...but its hard when life is Samoa is some how different than that of the outside world...Samoan parents are very strange, faimai le mau a isi matua "e gaga le alofa ae fasi ia ona iloa ai le sese, gae pea tu'u e fai le faitalia ia e le iu ai se lelei"...this is what I grew up with...and I suppose most don't agree but me I agree because mentally it has not affected me only physically...for some the physical pain is more hurtful than the mental one...I used to say to myself when I was little...ok the bruises will go away, and then things will be ok...it when children don't understand the logic behind the fasi is when they begin to think and the thinking becomes painful and the pain becomes unbearable, and then suicide is their only option out of it...but in the case of this poor soul, I am so deeply sadden that po'o lea lana mea ga fai ua le mafai ona tu'u atu e le faiaoga le avanoa e sue ai, ua avea ma mea ua fasi ai ma matua tele ai lava le mataupu, ma olea ua afaina atu ai ma ona matua, ae oute iloa his dad did not mean to beat him into committing suicide...no parents in the world would think like that (well lets hope)...but yes environment and influences are other factors that contribute to the state of mind of a young person, but it saddens me that at a tender age of 12 he had to turn to suicide, so uuummm its a very delicate issue that needs to be addressed and quickly...alofaz

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Permalink Reply by P.J. on June 15, 2011 at 12:35pm

:surprise: WOW THIS A FIRST, NEVER HEARD OF SAMOANS SUICIDING?
:surprise: :huh: :hmmm:

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